not fat cats and million fairs and billionaires, they're average work people and concerned about the environment. and national independent business owners a record number of people. a bad time to start a business and a bad time to hire people. and that's not going to inspire jobs in this country, which is exactly what we need right now. >> okay, clearly larry is not excited about this. julian, what do you say? which tax plan? >> i don't know why larry is screaming at everybody. i mean, look, the numbers here yesterday and the job numbers are very, very good, falling to below 8%, a good sign and vindication that the economic recovery is working, secondly, i think the fact that many businesses want to hold their fire until after the election is reasonable, because what businesses say more than anything else, two things they want to see is one, the partisan infighting stop and they want to see the parties come together to see what's done for the american people and two things that people are worried about aren't taxes, it's the lack of people buying something. >> most people believe, most political